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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:56 pm

Hi there, everyone.

I have posted this topic on a journal some time ago.
But I figured, why not posting it here?


So what do you think about a Manga or Anime about Shantae?
Personally, I would love to see either.

I was actually thinking about doing a Manga myself, once I attained the proper skills.
And I have a lot of basic storylines for different sagas. So it could be a long series. Extra Smile
Though I am still not sure if I will do it. Since when it comes to drawing, I have still a long way to go. ^^;
But I digress...

So how to you like the idea of a Mange/Anime series? And where would the main differences lie between the Manga/Anime and the games?
DISCUSS! Extra Smile
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Post by BossFight on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:02 pm

I personally think a Shantae anime or manga would best be done as either:

1. A light-hearted comedy about them hanging around Sequin Land goofing off with some action mixed in here and there. Risky here would be the most primary villain, but her actions would reflect her personality in the games; more of a comedic villain who likes messing around more than world domination or destruction.

2. A long journey in which Shantae, Bolo, Sky, and most likely Rotty go and explore places outside their homeland and discover great new villains and places in need of help. Risky would of course still show up.
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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:58 pm

Personally, I would go for option 2.

While I have nothing against, Sky, Bolo and Rotty to come along, I'd rather have Shantae doing all the main fights by herself, with her friends assisting her with some obstacles and stuff on her quest.

I am definitely for places outside of Sequin Land.
And if you have seen my "Shantae: The Element Gem" game-script, you have also seen that it'd take place in a parallel world, similar but still notably different from Sequin Land.

I am also for new villains...
Of course it's good to have Risky as the main recurring villain.
But if every saga were to be about confronting her, it'd feel repetitive and would get dull pretty quickly.
She'd be the villain featured mostly, no doubt. But she wouldn't be the only one.
More often than not will she find herself sharing the villain-spot with someone else, or be treated rather as a minor villain compared to the true threat.
In fact, I have even thought about one storyline that doesn't have Risky in it... AT ALL!
Would be really great. It'd make the reader/watcher feel like they're experiencing something new and it'd keep the series fresh.


And now for some other notes:
- Premise/Storylines
Personally, I'd do it like this.
The first chapter/episode would take place BEFORE the GBC-game plot.
And it'd merely serve as an introduction of the characters, the world as well as the backstory.
Risky probably wouldn't show up here.
Unless maybe in the last panel/few seconds of the episode, watching Scuttle Town from afar with a telescope from her ship.

Then I'd retell the events of the first game, with some more sub-plots added into it to make it enjoyable for the vets as well.
Then retelling the events of Risky's Revenge, again with new stuff added.
And then I'd follow with my own continuation of Risky's Revenge (which'd be two sagas).
(If you have seen my spoiler-post from the "How could the Plot of Risky's Revenge continue?" topic, you'd know what I am basicly going for. Wink)
After that is done, I'd move on to original stories, totally unrelated to any of the games.
And with those, I have ideas for at least four sagas. And maybe I'd come up with even more.
So... Extra Smile

- Harsh Words
Since Manga's/Anime are from Japan and I am fan of the orignal japanese dubs and versions, I'd probably go for more japanese standards when it comes to words.
And in Japan, many words that would be considering swear-words or harsh words by our standards, are not considered as such there.
Of course, I wouldn't overuse them. Only occasionally.
And in some exceptional cases, I'd might go further than that.
Remember the scene from the original game, where Risky shouts at Shantae, after her Tinkertank was destroyed and just before the duel between her and Shantae began?
Well in my Manga-version, she wouldn't be so "polite" as she was in the game. Wink
But like I said, those would be only exceptions. Meaning that this would rarely happen.

- Blood
Of course, I wouldn't include blood and gore like in mature manga's/anime's like "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure" or "Hellsing".
Blood would only be reduced to small cuts and bruises. Nothing dramatic.

Would more blood be an exception that would only show up rarely?
I must say I am not sure about that one. Would it go too far? Not sure... X_X


All in all, I can say that I'd make it similar to the orignal "Dragonball" Anime, as far as the quests go.
Meaning that Shantae would travel through the world and fight all kinds of villains. With Risky of course being one of them.
Her friends would show up to assist her in various situations, where she might needs help.
She'd also meet a lot of new people and form interesting relationships.

Of course, this wouldn't be split into mini-stories.
One saga would form one coherent story, at least. Heck, I'd even make it so that all saga's are coherent.
But I am not sure if this can be done with every saga. ^^;


Anyway, I have written a lot about this already.
But I think it's a fun topic to talk about, after all. Smile
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Post by Maetch on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:59 pm

Why does it have to be made in Japan? American animation is just as good an option (plus with WayForward currently palling around with the Adventure Time crew, they've got people they can trade ideas with). Using anime just to be able to get away with blood and swearing are pretty lousy reasons to pick it, especially since Shantae's world is very lighthearted and pleasant and not at all like an anime that focuses on fighting and epic quests all the time.

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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:09 pm

Maetch wrote:Why does it have to be made in Japan? American animation is just as good an option.
Of course, it is. I never said otherwise. Though japanese Anime's and Manga's happens to be my personal preference.
Though maybe I was indeed too biased with the title. Sorry about that.


As for the rest: Of course, I would like it to be as close to the game-standards, as possible.
And I said in the post that I would never make it as bad as in "Dragonball" or "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure".
Heck, not even close.

Like I said, I'd only reduce blood to small cuts. And that's it.
Which would merely be small, thin lines blood, that are almost non-existant.
Maybe one small blood-drop or nosebleed occasionally (not exaggerating, a la Muten Roshi I might add) and that's it.
Yes, I said I am unsure about adding larger amounts of blood.
But frankly, I'd more likely NOT do it. So no worries...

As for the words: Of course, it's a petty reason. True.
But it's just a matter of personal preference again.
And to me, it feels more japanese-style (Once again: Personal Preference!), if it'd use the word-standards of japanese Anime's/Manga's.
But once again, I wouldn't overuse them, like they do. And instead stick more to the standards of the games.
Only in certain situations, where it's understandable for the characters to say harsher words.

And as for real harsh words: To be honest, right now I only know one instance where real harsh words would be used.
And this would be out of pure rage.
So they would show up even less.


Of course, the games are light-hearted and kid-friendly. Granted!
And I'd like a possible Manga/Anime or Cartoon/Comic series to follow the same standards.
However, I think by now it's normal for animated or Manga/Comic Book adaptions of video games to be different from the main material.
Just read the "Ocarina of Time" Manga and compare it with the game.
Apart from the Main plot of collecting the stones, awakening the sages and defeating Ganondorf, it's almost completely different from the game.
Of course, this is a rather extreme example. I wouldn't dare to make Anime/Manga adaptions of Shantae that different.

The only difference would be added sub-plots, as well as the choice of words and seriousness (though for the most time, it'd be the same as in the games).
At least if I were in charge.

You can like it or dislike it. And it's fine to have a different opinion.
We never have the exact same viewpoints, ya know? Wink
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Post by BossFight on Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:03 pm

I actually did like the OoT manga, except that it wasn't full enough. Too short and skippy. I absolutely loved WW Link's Logbook though, but that was more of a bundle of comics than a manga.

Anyway, I'm fine with an adaptation straying from its original a bit as long as it's done well.

To me though the harsh language would have to be minimal. I've always actually liked the silly, even corny, way the characters in Shantae communicate.
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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:30 pm

BossFight wrote:I actually did like the OoT manga, except that it wasn't full enough. Too short and skippy. I absolutely loved WW Link's Logbook though, but that was more of a bundle of comics than a manga.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Never read the Logbook though. ^^;
Anyways...

I'm fine with an adaptation straying from its original a bit as long as it's done well.
Same here. Wink

To me though the harsh language would have to be minimal. I've always actually liked the silly, even corny, way the characters in Shantae communicate.
Hey, I wouldn't make them say "Sh**" or "H3ll" in almost every sentence. In fact, I'd avoid using them, unless the situation is appropriate.
And believe, for Shantae, there are almost no situations where they're appropriate. So no need to worry.
I'd might use a "What the h3ll?!?" occasionally. And even then, Shantae would rarly say that, if ever.
It's also a matter of which character is speaking.

For Risky though, I think it'd make sense if she'd use harsh words more often than the other characters.
And if she is enraged, she might let some real offensive words slip.
(I actually got one "nice" line for her, after her Tinkertank was destroyed and she gets really angry. Razz)


But enough of that. I think I got the point across. Wink
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Post by Maetch on Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:11 pm

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:For Risky though, I think it'd make sense if she'd use harsh words more often than the other characters.
And if she is enraged, she might let some real offensive words slip.
(I actually got one "nice" line for her, after her Tinkertank was destroyed and she gets really angry. Razz)
Even Risky is not the kind of character to resort to any kind of profanity. She's more known for her humorous double-entendres ("Hoist my booty to the roof" when stealing the lamp in RR), and her "Dance on your runny innards" speech near the end of the first game is about as harsh as her dialogue ever needs to get in response to Shantae's meddling.

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Post by BossFight on Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:59 pm

Maetch wrote: Even Risky is not the kind of character to resort to any kind of profanity. She's more known for her humorous double-entendres ("Hoist my booty to the roof" when stealing the lamp in RR), and her "Dance on your runny innards" speech near the end of the first game is about as harsh as her dialogue ever needs to get in response to Shantae's meddling.

I do gotta admit that the runny innards quote there is probably worse than one of the weaker curses like ****, haha.

Anyway, if the style looked just like the official art, that alone would be a giant plus for me. I'm very fond of their official art style.

Edit: The D word, if you will. Forgot they get starred out lol.
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Post by Maetch on Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:38 pm

BossFight wrote:
Maetch wrote: Even Risky is not the kind of character to resort to any kind of profanity. She's more known for her humorous double-entendres ("Hoist my booty to the roof" when stealing the lamp in RR), and her "Dance on your runny innards" speech near the end of the first game is about as harsh as her dialogue ever needs to get in response to Shantae's meddling.

I do gotta admit that the runny innards quote there is probably worse than one of the weaker curses like ****, haha.
But at least it sounds a lot more unique for Risky's character than just hearing her spew the usual four-letter words.

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Post by .Luke on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:39 pm

I agree with Maetch on that one. It won't matter how you justify the use of swearing in Shantae, the execution will be jarring, unfunny, and unnatural in a series that didn't do this in the past. There are literally hundreds of better, funnier ways to express hateful remarks, and Risky already does that with flying colors, you just have to be creative; cursing is the easy way out.

This is a family-friendly western cast of characters here, not Anime. I know the Japs don't give a hoot about the language they sling around in their media, but Shantae didn't come from Japan, so I would find it unsettling to see any of the characters sprinkle their otherwise "clean" speech in unnecessary dung flakes; I still can't understand why games like Shadow the Hedgehog got away with an E+10 rating with all the excessive swearing it used, while Twilight Princess was stuck with a Teen rating for "fantasy" violence.

I mean, heck, if the guys at Bunjie would have just removed the few bits of blood that was in Halo : CE, and the use of one specific curse, the game could have made a Teen rating, easy. See how much of a difference the use of a few "dirty" words can broaden or shrink your audience? There are a lot of games these days that wouldn't need an M rating if it weren't for small doses of mature content that it could have done without. I'm getting off-topic, though.

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:Of course, it is. I never said otherwise. Though japanese Anime's and Manga's happens to be my personal preference.
Though maybe I was indeed too biased with the title. Sorry about that.

Shoot me for being a stickler if you want, but what do you mean by Japanese Anime and Manga? Anime is a broad term referring strictly to Japanese animation, (It has to come from Japan, whether it looks Manga-styled or not.) and Manga comics are made purely in the same country as well. If it comes from anywhere else, it's neither of those two, just bearing the style they use, such as Teen Titans. (Even if the show had a Japanese theme song, that still doesn't make it an Anime. It borrows a lot from the Manga style, but TT was created in the USA, so it's no more a normal cartoon than Bugs Bunny is.)

Besides that, the way characters in Shantae are drawn is very alien in comparison to the Manga style; I've hopeless tried to apply what I learned in Manga art tutorials on Shantae for months, and it never works out. Shantae's trademark cheeks are a total ***** to get right, her shoulders don't realistically add up, her head's shape isn't easy to grasp, and Bolo's own face just screams "logical nightmare" compared to a typical character drawn in Manga. (Sky is probably a rare exception, I had no serious trouble with her face at all.) Shantae's all western for ya, so kudos to anyone who can faithfully rework the character designs to fit into the Manga art style.

Sorry for the glass-half-empty talk there, but the concept of a Shantae manga is a very serious undertaking, not just visually. If it faithfully recreates the series in the style of Manga, as well as nod at the many tropes Japanese comics so frequently abuse, I think the end-result would be very different from anything we've seen of Shantae so far. Different doesn't always equal bad, though, (Something "LoZ : Majora's Mask" haters will never grasp.) I would be curious enough to check it out, personally. Although it should be noted that a Shantae Manga may turn off some of the fanbase, like with any spinoff that's estranged from its official counterpart, but I'm sure you're already prepared for that.

BossFight wrote:Anyway, I'm fine with an adaptation straying from its original a bit as long as it's done well.

QFT

BossFight wrote:I actually did like the OoT manga, except that it wasn't full enough. Too short and skippy. I absolutely loved WW Link's Logbook though, but that was more of a bundle of comics than a manga.

Sorry for straying off-topic here, but wait, there was an official manga of OoT?



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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:49 pm

Okay, I think I might as well revise that post of mine.


In terms of swearing and stuff:
I can only refer to my previous post. I have said everything that needs to be said there.
But I once again say, I would rarly use them. And if I'd use them, only for both characters and situations appropriate.
I daresay at least 90% of the time (if not more), you wouldn't see any harsh words.
Same thing counts for blood (what tiny amount would be shown).
Just thought I'd point that out.

As for the art-style: Sorry, but that's bull.
There isn't a fixed art-style for Manga's. So a manga-artist can use his or her own style.
In fact, there are manga's that deviate from the usual style. But that doesn't make them any less Manga than the others.
That said, I'd say that a Shantae Manga with the Shantae-usual artstyle would still work.
In the end, it's all a matter on how it's done.


As for the terms "Anime" and "Manga": Like I said, it's my personal bias. Sorry about that.
But you're wrong if you say that "Anime is not cartoon". (Got the impression that you'd say that.)
Even if the american "Spider-Man animated series" would run in Japan, it'd still be called "Anime" there.
So "Anime" is nothing more than the japanese term for "Cartoons".
It's just that japanese animations have their own unique style AND they are mostly made for a more mature audience, than kids.
(Of course, anime's for kids still exist. No doubt about that.)
Which is why is has become a habit for western audiences to call japanese animations "Anime".
(That and the term "Cartoon" sounds rather childrish compared to "Anime". Something that most japanese animations certainly are not.)

Same thing counts for "Manga". Which is nothing more than the japanese term for "Comic".
Just figured I'd explain that. Wink
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Post by .Luke on Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:41 pm

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:In terms of swearing and stuff:
I can only refer to my previous post. I have said everything that needs to be said there.
But I once again say, I would rarly use them. And if I'd use them, only for both characters and situations appropriate.
I daresay at least 90% of the time (if not more), you wouldn't see any harsh words.
Same thing counts for blood (what tiny amount would be shown).
Just thought I'd point that out.

If US comic brands, like Archie, ever made dealings with WayForward for a Shantae comic, my feelings would still be the same there, but in the case of a manga comic, yeah, I shouldn't dump bleach all over it if the nature of the comic was more mature. Besides, mild application of swearing is far more bearable to me than what I've heard Naruto is supposed to have gratuious amounts of in its Anime's original language. (Prove me wrong here if you have evidence of otherwise.) It's one reason why I'm more hesitant to watch English subs of Anime, all the f-bombs and other forms of content I'd want to avoid until it's all clipped out in the English dub. ^^'

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:
As for the art-style: Sorry, but that's bull.
There isn't a fixed art-style for Manga's. So a manga-artist can use his or her own style.
In fact, there are manga's that deviate from the usual style. But that doesn't make them any less Manga than the others.
That said, I'd say that a Shantae Manga with the Shantae-usual artstyle would still work.
In the end, it's all a matter on how it's done.

True, all of the many genres of Manga are evidence to that, but my underlying point was that the Shantae characters are structured a lot differently underneath than most Manga characters, which might justify a few artistic changes here and there to make the execution more seemless and authentic, for lack of a better term.

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:
As for the terms "Anime" and "Manga": Like I said, it's my personal bias. Sorry about that.
But you're wrong if you say that "Anime is not cartoon". (Got the impression that you'd say that.)
Even if the american "Spider-Man animated series" would run in Japan, it'd still be called "Anime" there.
So "Anime" is nothing more than the japanese term for "Cartoons".
It's just that japanese animations have their own unique style AND they are mostly made for a more mature audience, than kids.
(Of course, anime's for kids still exist. No doubt about that.)
Which is why is has become a habit for western audiences to call japanese animations "Anime".
(That and the term "Cartoon" sounds rather childrish compared to "Anime". Something that most japanese animations certainly are not.)

Same thing counts for "Manga". Which is nothing more than the japanese term for "Comic".
Just figured I'd explain that. ;)

I guess I gave you the wrong impression then. o_o Anime is exactly what you said it is, just an (engrish?) term for animation in Japan, and a convenient label for the rest of the known world, so I'll avoid regurgitating the rest; TVTropes also sums it up pretty well. It's good to know you're not getting the terminology mixed up here, that's mostly what I felt like pointing out. Most people use terms like Anime so loosely these days it irks me a bit at times, but that doesn't give me the right to be a grammar nut about it. (Just barely dodged Godwin's Law right there, thank goodness. =P)

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:It's just that japanese animations have their own unique style AND they are mostly made for a more mature audience, than kids.
(Of course, anime's for kids still exist. No doubt about that.)

Yeah, Kodomo style shows like Pokemon, Samurai Pizza Cats, or Hamtaro are pretty good examples of Anime kid shows. ^^ Used to really like Hamtaro when I was ten years old, probably one of the few good kid shows I still remember!
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Post by Maetch on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:20 pm

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:In terms of swearing and stuff:
I can only refer to my previous post. I have said everything that needs to be said there.
But I once again say, I would rarly use them. And if I'd use them, only for both characters and situations appropriate.
I daresay at least 90% of the time (if not more), you wouldn't see any harsh words.
Same thing counts for blood (what tiny amount would be shown).
Just thought I'd point that out.
So far, you seem adamant in turning Shantae's world into some kind of shonen manga/anime like DBZ or Naruto. Your personal vision of the series is your business, but just remember that there's no way WayForward would ever do that sort of thing with Shantae. That means you would never see any blood or swearing in any game/anime/manga under their supervision.

BTW, other countries call their animated shows "anime" as well, though the term is most connected with Japan.

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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:08 am

Then I am afraid that you misunderstood me.
I know what Shantae is all about. And I sure would stick to its standards, if I were to make a Manga or animated series about it.

And to be honest, I would NEVER use words like the F-Word. Seriously, I wouldn't go that far.
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Post by .Luke on Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:58 am

I would be okay with blood on cuts, scrapes, and bruises, but having it run down the skin or even drip might be pushing it in Shantae's case; it could sap the light-hearted cartoony nature out of the atmosphere almost instantly. (Unless gritty is what you're going for.) A better thing to do might be to avoid showing any humans bleeding, and save it for monsters or common enemies with different colors of blood. (Since they do kinda fly apart into bones as it is.) Lots of green "blood" spewing out of monsters is a pretty safe bet, and shouldn't land you in any hot water, at least with the people who get upset when you cover their favorite characters in that sticky red stuff.

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:And to be honest, I would NEVER use words like the F-Word. Seriously, I wouldn't go that far.

Pretty much assumed that myself when you mentioned keeping the cursing to a minimum. The Assassin's Creed games are probably the only titles I know that even use that word anyway, in foreign languages or not. **** gets real when you use it in a sentence, (Unless abused excessively like all the screaming banshees do on LIVE, then it cheapens the emphasis.) and I can't see any of the Shantae characters going that far either.

Maetch wrote:BTW, other countries call their animated shows "anime" as well, though the term is most connected with Japan.

That's interesting to know. ^^ I'll keep that in mind if I bump into a foreign Anime that wasn't produced in Japan.
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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:47 pm

.Luke wrote:I would be okay with blood on cuts, scrapes, and bruises
That's what I would go for.
Like I said before, they'd most likely be barely visible. So don't you worry. Wink

But having it run down the skin or even drip might be pushing it in Shantae's case; it could sap the light-hearted cartoony nature out of the atmosphere almost instantly. (Unless gritty is what you're going for.)
I know that. Which is why I'd most likely not go for this.


A better thing to do might be to avoid showing any humans bleeding, and save it for monsters or common enemies with different colors of blood. (Since they do kinda fly apart into bones as it is.) Lots of green "blood" spewing out of monsters is a pretty safe bet, and shouldn't land you in any hot water, at least with the people who get upset when you cover their favorite characters in that sticky red stuff.
Well, if I'd draw Manga, I'd more likely do it in the usual "Black n' White". So any kind of blood would appear as black liquid.
But for colored stuff, sure.


Pretty much assumed that myself when you mentioned keeping the cursing to a minimum. The Assassin's Creed games are probably the only titles I know that even use that word anyway, in foreign languages or not. **** gets real when you use it in a sentence, (Unless abused excessively like all the screaming banshees do on LIVE, then it cheapens the emphasis.) and I can't see any of the Shantae characters going that far either.
Besides, I would only use the most common words, which are rather harmless.
Words like the Sh-Word, the "underworld" or the "Idiot" and some variations.
I mean, those words are pretty much standard in Japan. Every anime and manga (in their original versions) use them.
Harsher words like the F-word are rather exceptional.
And those I would seriously NOT use!

That's interesting to know. ^^ I'll keep that in mind if I bump into a foreign Anime that wasn't produced in Japan.
Still Animes are the same thing as cartoons. Animated shows.
Anime is merely the japanese term for them. No matter how western audiences use the word.
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Post by Maetch on Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:54 pm

Paragon-Yoshi wrote: I would only use the most common words, which are rather harmless.
Words like the Sh-Word, the "underworld" or the "Idiot" and some variations.
Even those words are not fully harmless, even in Japan. Just because they can get away with it more often in media doesn't make it appropriate for everything they make.

.Luke wrote:It won't matter how you justify the use of swearing in Shantae, the execution will be jarring, unfunny, and unnatural in a series that didn't do this in the past. There are literally hundreds of better, funnier ways to express hateful remarks, and Risky already does that with flying colors, you just have to be creative; cursing is the easy way out.
Exactly the point!

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Post by .Luke on Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:50 pm

Maetch wrote:Even those words are not fully harmless, even in Japan. Just because they can get away with it more often in media doesn't make it appropriate for everything they make.

Makes sense, really, otherwise even the kodomo-styled animes would use them too. ^^'

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:Well, if I'd draw Manga, I'd more likely do it in the usual "Black n' White". So any kind of blood would appear as black liquid.
But for colored stuff, sure.

White "sweat" works too. =P That's mostly what I see Ninja Turtle cartoons use to express the effects of a beating without resorting to blood. It's a very different story in the comics, though, there's black stuff and guts flying everywhere! (Dunno why, but fictional aliens and mutants getting gored don't really bother me much; I guess because they're purely fictional. Seeing a non-fictional alien, whenever we encounter them, being dismembered on the other hand, might disturb me.) The differences between the TMNT comics and family-friendly cartoons are like night and day.
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Post by Nai255 on Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:51 pm

A Shantae comic, eh? An interesting thought.
"My blade'll leave a hole in ya big enough to park me vessel in!" *SWISH*
"Nice try, miss bossy boots!" *CRACK*

I agree too that just because a game or movie has got a specific rating doesn't mean it has to include ALL the criteria that goes with said rating. I'd be fine with just the occasional suggestive themes in a Shantae comic, with any violence and language kept at a comical level.

Say, would this be a good example?
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/17/69/20/31/shanta10.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/17/69/20/31/shanta11.jpg

I always wondered about the origin of this comic, but it looks official, perhaps done in-house a while back as a fun little aside. So I couldn't help but crack a smile when Shantae goes to deliver food to someone residing in a cave in Risky's Revenge, thinking it may have been a subtle reference. But that's just me, eheh

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Post by MikeHarvey on Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:58 pm

I was told about this forum on my comments on my DA account. Glad I checked it out.

I was thinking of doing a Shantae Web comic... again. Shantae's world and mythology is a very interesting one. Personally I feel that a comic about her should reflect the games as much as possible. Nai255's posted links to that Shantae comic (which does looks a lot like Matt Bozon's earlier drawings) is very spot on and what I'd hope to achieve when (or if) I make one myself.

As far as a Shantae Manga, I think that would be interesting to see too. A serious take on her might provide great stories that would be very unnatural to tell otherwise. So long that Shantae still acts like herself, it could be pulled off quite well.

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Post by Nai255 on Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:24 pm

Hey Harvey, how goes it? : )
I remember browsing the comic you did of Shantae a while back. Was quite a hair-raising adventure, eheh.
Not sure if I ever actually left any comments, but I still enjoyed it, and wouldn't mind seeing more from ya

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Post by Paragon-Yoshi on Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:42 pm

Nai255 wrote:A Shantae comic, eh? An interesting thought.
"My blade'll leave a hole in ya big enough to park me vessel in!" *SWISH*
"Nice try, miss bossy boots!" *CRACK*
LOL! Nice.
(Why does this remind me of Captain Hook though? Razz)

I agree too that just because a game or movie has got a specific rating doesn't mean it has to include ALL the criteria that goes with said rating. I'd be fine with just the occasional suggestive themes in a Shantae comic, with any violence and language kept at a comical level.
That I'd try to achieve. Wink

Say, would this be a good example?
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/17/69/20/31/shanta10.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/17/69/20/31/shanta11.jpg

I always wondered about the origin of this comic, but it looks official, perhaps done in-house a while back as a fun little aside. So I couldn't help but crack a smile when Shantae goes to deliver food to someone residing in a cave in Risky's Revenge, thinking it may have been a subtle reference. But that's just me, eheh
Seeing her brown hair, I daresay that this is "Prototype-Shantae" from 1991. (Well, it obviously is. Extra Smile)
So this probably came out long before the release of the original Shantae.
Still very nice Mini-Comic.
(Where do you get all this anyways?)



BTW...
Paragon's List of Sagas. Read at your own risk! Razz:

- Shantae, the Half Genie
A re-telling of the original Shantae-Game. With some new sub-plots added.
Sequin Land and Shantae are introduced first. Then Risky attacks Scuttle Town and the plot with the Steam Engine and the four Mystical Stone starts rolling.
On her quest she also meets several other people in need, as well as some troublemakers.
(Most noteworthy thing, other than the added sub-plots and some minor changes in dialogue, is the fact that Shantae actually makes use of the powers of the stones at some points, instead of just carrying them along.)

- Risky's Revenge
Obviously, a re-telling of "Shantae: Risky's Revenge".
Again, with some sub-plots added. A few dialogues and minor story-elements are also changed a little (but without blowing them out of proportion).

- Prelude of Darkness
Paragon's own continuation of the "Risky's Revenge". (The first part of it anyways)
Shantae and her friends go to the Sequin Land Palace, in hopes to find out more about a rumor of a powerful relic.
With a little help of a "Mysterious Girl", Shantae knows where to look for it. And she learns that it can counteract the powers of the lamp, that is still in Risky's possession and might as well even give her her Genie-Powers back.
But Risky also learned what the lamp can do. And now has conceived a new plan to become the ruler of the seven seas.
But both are not yet aware of the dark conciousness...

- Rise of Evil Incarnate
The second part of Paragon's own continuation of Risky's Revenge
After Risky's defeat, the dark entity broke the seal of the lamp and is now free.
The dark entity is the "Evil Genie". Among the Genie's also known as "Evil Incarnate".
Now where the evil genie is free, she instantly used her powers to merge Sequin Land with the Genie Realm and throw both worlds into chaos.
While the lesser population of Sequin Land is under the influence of the Evil Genie's most powerful servants, Shantae friends, Mimic and Risky too are lost and imprisoned somewhere.
Shantae needs to rescue her friends, defeat the Evil Genie's servants and to get to the four sacred shrines of the Genie Realm, to power up her hair in order to match the powers of the Evil Genie.
Can Shantae defeat the powerful evil entity and save Sequin Land?


- Tales of the Element Gem
Paragon's re-telling of his own Game Concept "Shantae: The Element Gem".
Shantae, Sky and Bolo accompany Mimic on one of his digs. They find a treasure chest with a chart inside, that leads to "the forbidden door".
But they are attacked by Risky's Tinkerbats and Risky steals the chart during the confusion. Shantae, as well as Sky and Bolo (much to Shantae's dismay) chase Risky inside the woods where the door is hidden.
Risky ends up opening it and goes inside. Shantae and her friends follow her. But they are sucked into the blackness.
Shantae then finds herself in an unfamiliar land. Eventually, she meets the old man "Copie" and learns that she is in a parallel world.
She also learns of the "Element Gem". A powerful relic that grants the wielder completely mastery over the four elements. Fire, Water, Earth and Wind.
Risky stole Copie's map, which gives a hint on how to find it. And of course, she wants it for herself.
Determined to stop Risky and find her lost friends, Shantae embarks on a new journey.
But the mysterious, demonic and evil Half-Genie, called "Yuriko", also seeks to obtain it. Can Shantae stop both and thwart the plans of evil?

- Power of Del-Mos
Original storyline.
Mimic finds a strange object, washed up on the beach.
As he examines it, a transport-cannonball comes crashing through his roof. Risky shows up and steals the object.
Shantae catches her in actions and chases her back to her boat. But then she is surprised by a strange man and sent flying off Risky's ship, allowing Risky to get away.
Mimic tells her about the object that she stole. He doesn't know much about it, but it seems to be a fragment of a mystical object, which is part of something big and it comes from a land adjacent to Sequin Land.
Knowing that nothing good can come out of it, if Risky so eager to get it, she follows Risky to the unfamiliar land.
Eventually she also learns of the Del-Mos group, that apparently teamed up with Risky. And the man that attacked her before is one of them.
Can Shantae resolve the mysteries about that object and stop the villains?

- Terror of the Sorceress
Original storyline.
Shantae travels with a ship, that carries valuable payload. And as requested by the mayor, she acts as guardian of that payload.
She completes that task. But on the way back to Scuttle Town, the ship is surprised by a massive whirlpool and Shantae was blown off the ship.
As she opened her eyes, she finds herself in a land completely unknown to her. And she was all alone. Not knowing what happened to the ship and its crew.
With nothing else she can do, she decides to explore the unknown land and meet some people who could help her.
But eventually she finds out that the land is terrorized by a powerful sorceress and of course, she wants to help out.
(This storyline is quite unique, since it doesn't have Risky in it AT ALL! Shantae's friends are also absent in this volume/season, only present in its ending.)

- The Fallen Shooting Star
Original Storyline.
Shantae and her friends sit on her lighthouse and watched the stars, when they spot a strange shooting star, that seems to fall down to Earth.
And indeed it crashes into the nearby woods. They investigate and find a large unknown... thing. But they don't know what to do with it and decide to tell Mimic at the next day.
But before he can take a look at it, strange creatures visit Scuttle Town. Which are actually ALIENS!
(Hey. We have Zombie's already. So why not?)
They introduce themselves as "Tribe from the Skies" and explain that their airship has been damaged.
Now they need to find the materials to fix it and are in need of someone who is familiar with the land.
Shantae and her friends promise to help.
But the task is not so simple. The estranged twin brother of the tribe-leader has teamed up with Risky. Who both are now on Shantae.
Can Shantae stop Risky and the evil brother and help out the friendly aliens?


Wow, that was quite a lot. ^^;
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Post by .Luke on Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:37 pm

Those mini-comics are definitely a hoot, Nai! Where do you keep finding all this pre-1999 stuff, I wonder? =P Those sure look official.

MikeHarvey wrote:I was thinking of doing a Shantae Web comic... again. Shantae's world and mythology is a very interesting one. Personally I feel that a comic about her should reflect the games as much as possible. Nai255's posted links to that Shantae comic (which does looks a lot like Matt Bozon's earlier drawings) is very spot on and what I'd hope to achieve when (or if) I make one myself.

With the reply you posted to one of my comments on dA, you definitely have a well-grounded process to make that happen, on the side of your original works. It would be very interesting to see what directions you take the characters in; the quality of your art is amazing. Speaking of which, I have yet to scroll through the rest of your dA gallery. :# I think I'll go do that. xD

MikeHarvey wrote:As far as a Shantae Manga, I think that would be interesting to see too. A serious take on her might provide great stories that would be very unnatural to tell otherwise. So long that Shantae still acts like herself, it could be pulled off quite well.

Very true, there are always aspects in any story that don't translate well into a game. (Or at least one that is fun to play. *Insert 90% of movie-based titles here*) A Shantae comic series could potentially drip with tons of backstory and mythology that wouldn't normally find their way into the games.

Paragon-Yoshi wrote:BTW...

Paragon's List of Sagas. Read at your own risk! :P

You already have all the story arcs plotted out for your own comics? =P If that's the case, dang, you're definitely serious about making it happen with all the improvements I've seen in more recent additions in your gallery.
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Post by BossFight on Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:08 am

Wow, I thought I'd seen everything there was to see for the official stuff. This was a nice find!

It's also good to see that Harvey's joined us. Best Shantae fan art I've seen, I think.
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